[LINK] - Dead is Dead - 04-08-09
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Dead is Dead To atone for sins of the past, Ben must attempt to summon the smoke monster in order to be judged. http://abc.go.co....t/index?pn=index * UPDATE * Our chat from 04-09-09 http://www.prest....m/audio/1235.mp3
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  1. Linda posted on 04/08/2009 09:23 PM
    Wow! Charles Widmore is more evil than Ben!
  2. P&S/LOST fan posted on 04/08/2009 09:28 PM
    The show ended 25 minutes ago and nothing posted... I guess the LOST blog is done too! Best damn episode ever! Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn the best actors on TV right now!
  3. Mommydon posted on 04/08/2009 09:35 PM
    I was just thinking the same thing... logged on to read some posts and nothing. Maybe it's a "post-out" on posting to protest the stop of the chats. I guess I'll go find another website to check out for LOST chats.
  4. mals posted on 04/08/2009 10:10 PM
    i dont get what posting on here really has to do with the lost chat... there's always been way more on here then they could even cover in the show anyway... it's so silly to stop posting.. not seeing the big deal at all...
  5. HottieCamKevin posted on 04/08/2009 11:11 PM
    In that first flashback scene of a 30something Widmore meeting a newly healed little Ben for the first time in the tent -- could they have cast an actor that could possibly look LESS like Alan Dale?? lol I mean I kinda knew just instinctively that the second he showed up it was going to be Widmore, but damn, it's like they didn't even TRY to get someone who looked similar to the older Widmore.
  6. Jeff posted on 04/08/2009 11:22 PM
    So why did the Smoke Monster let Ben of all people live but killed Mr. Eko? One thought, when the Smoke Monster (or the Island or whatnot) presented Eko with the spirit Yemi, Eko said he was "Not sorry," but when confronted with the spirit Alex, Ben said "I'm so sorry." Possibly the remorse is what saved him. Also, possibly the fact that Ben truly cares about the Island and Eko had just started to care out of some misplaced belief it would save him.
  7. Linda posted on 04/09/2009 06:55 AM
    After a few ho hum episodes - Lost is back answering questions and teasing a few more. Awesome. We're in the stretch run to what will probably be another great season finale.
  8. Fred posted on 04/09/2009 07:16 AM
    Is that woman who brought Sayid onto the plane an other? She seemed to be looking for a secret phrase from John Locke. Did she say " what stands at the base of the statue?" Like if you are one of them you know the right response. Just like Desmond at the hatch when the he ask something like "what did one snowman say to the other?"
  9. Scanner420 posted on 04/09/2009 07:48 AM
    To Fred: I was thinking the same thing about Ilana. (sp) I was actually wondering if The Others were actually shadowing the Losties from the begining. As for the episode, great chemistry between Ben and Locke, as usual. Dunno why they killed off Caesar so fast, I was just begining to like him. It was cool to see how/why Widmore was banished from the island. And how badass was Desmond coming back and beating the crap out of Ben. P&S Still Rock!
  10. Steve posted on 04/09/2009 07:59 AM
    In my opinion, it wasn't remorse that saved Ben and being judged for the killing of his daughter wasn't Ben's sole purpose for going to smokey. That may have been part of it, but I think Ben was going to see if Widmore was right...to see if Rouseau and the baby were supposed to die when Widmore commanded it, to see if Widmore's warning on the docks that Alex would die if it was the Island's choice like he had told Ben in the past. Ben went to see if Widmore could really get messages from the island or if Widmore was like Ben, faking the talking to Jacob.
  11. Enrio Palazzo posted on 04/09/2009 08:00 AM
    I believe that Locke is not alive. I believe he is some sort of ghost, just like Christian, just like Alex last night. I believe that the island uses these images of people that are actually dead to get what it wants. That is why she was insistent on Ben listening to everything that Locke says. Just a theory.
  12. Skippy posted on 04/09/2009 08:02 AM
    I think that the Island/Smoky let Ben live because it is vindictive... It wants to torture Ben by having him follow John, Ben was too ready to die.
  13. lb posted on 04/09/2009 08:04 AM
    Instead of the "hi Bob!" drinking game, let's drink every time Ben lies. He's evil!
  14. Scott posted on 04/09/2009 08:06 AM
    Ilana said "What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue" I was thinking that the shadow could mean the "dark" territory, even though it is no longer dark since the statue is not there. it could also mean the well/orchid station where ben and locke turned the FDW. Smokey killed Eko and not Ben because Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (the actor who played Eko) wanted to be written off the show. His parents had just passed and he wanted to spend more time at home in England. They would have kept him on the show otherwise. Overall, I didn't think this was that great of an episode, although it is probably the best since "This Place is Death." Although they are answering questions at a rapid pace this year, the storytelling is terrible compared to the final stretch of season 3 and the whole of season 4. I just hope that Season 6 gets back to "Lost" form so I'm not dissappointed in the end. Oh, and by the way, the only good episodes anymore are the ones in which John Locke or Christian Sheppard (or both for that matter) appear. Who cares about the drama crap or the stupid love square anymore; there's only 22 episodes left, I want as many mythology episodes as possible.
  15. Becky posted on 04/09/2009 08:11 AM
    Okay, I just read your post about Lost and not being able to talk about it on air. People need to chill. I am a totally dedicated P & S listener, however, your opinions/views/beliefs do not shape my life. It's not like all of your listeners are sitting in the studio with you waiting for their turn to comment on Lost. It is a very cool show, but really, people need to get a life and stop letting things they can't control CONTROL their lives.
  16. Scott posted on 04/09/2009 08:12 AM
    Also, one last point, does anyone else think that damon and carlton got the inspiration for this "new" Locke from Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. When he was "the grey," he wasn't quite sure of what was going on, he had to go to Saruman and get guidance, but didn't see it coming when his leader turned out to be evil. Once he became Gandalf the White, however, after being resurrected none-the-less, Gandalf just "knew" about things, and turned the tables on Saruman. At first, I thought the resurrection to be a biblical reference, but as we see more and more of Locke, post-death, it becomes clear that this is a nod to Tolkien.
  17. Becky posted on 04/09/2009 08:15 AM
    So, Preston said Alex looked good last night. I thought when she confronted Ben, her teeth looked "vampire-ish". Like her canines were all pointed and her eyes were kinda bloodshot. Just something I noticed!
  18. McNabb...get outta here! posted on 04/09/2009 08:17 AM
    Wow...my buddy just emailed me saying that P&S are actually talking about Lost....maybe they actually came to their senses and listened to their viewers, even though I still see Nick's "The Bitch Blog" title at the end of this week's blog and it reminds me how he has no class and insulting their viewers by posting that...what a loser! Anyway, great show last night! Loved the whole ben/smoke monster encounter. So did Ben kill Penny or not? I'm sure he did with the "tell Desmond that I'm sorrry" comment but suprised that it wasn't shown. The game that Hurley and Sawyer were playin at Ben's house was still set up on the table when Ben's went in to get the picture....notice that? So what is at the foot of the statue??? Humm.......
  19. Jenniferrrrr posted on 04/09/2009 08:22 AM
    Maybe i missed it, but Why did Widmore want Ben to kill Rousseau and baby Alex??
  20. Sophia posted on 04/09/2009 08:45 AM
    Did you notice how Ben softened when it came to children? But Why did Ben ask To tell Desmond he is sorry? Did he kill Penny and his son after all? We did not see the entire thing, we just saw him fall into the water, there is alway more to a story line in this show. :-) So, is Widmore the true evil after all? Who is to say? THe only way Locke would be able to return to the Island was if her died... Ben broke the rules by returning to the island, or is it that he is dea inside and that is in some weird way an acceptable death to the island?
  21. DC posted on 04/09/2009 08:49 AM
    I think that Locke new where the smoke monster and the temple were because he was there before. Didn't Locke visit the temple in the past when the Russo and the French folk first arrived on the island. The smoke monster drug one of them underground and it looked very similar. Then the rest went down looking for him and that's when they became "infected" according to Russo.
  22. Jenn posted on 04/09/2009 09:09 AM
    I'm so glad you guys did a recap of such a great episode (with awful hair pieces)! I still fear for Locke, I think Ben still holds the upper hand. And what does the leader of the others mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing. I also wonder why Danielle didn't recognize Ben when she captured him in that net? After all, he took her baby. Maybe because it was dark and years later. And if you guys are looking for some great insight and theories around Lost, go to EW.com. Jeff "doc" Jensen writes some great pieces. :)
  23. Maria posted on 04/09/2009 10:10 AM
    Not sure if anyone already noted this, but one of the Egyptian heiroglyphics found on the wall in front of where the smoke monster appeared is the symbol for the God of Death, commonly known as Anubis.
  24. cjh1981 posted on 04/09/2009 10:30 AM
    Here are a couple of questions/observations........ In the beginning of the episode we see Charles Widmore and he looks very young (approx. 1977)....then we see him being kicked off the island (approx 1989) and he looks very old....maybe a person would age this dramatically, but perhaps something happens to him..... How did Ethan end up with Ben/the hostels in the scene where they stole baby Alex...this was also in 1989, before the purge.......did they steal him as well? And finally....when ben and locke go into ben's house and find sun and lapidus his house looks the same as it was when ben left it.......there is even the risk game on the table that sawyer and hurley were playing....how can his house be the same but in the other houses we see (like when sun talks to Christian and gets the pic with jin in it) there are still Dharma signs and stuff in them? Very strange This was a great episode and we got to see that Ben does truely have a softer side, especially when it comes to children...perhaps its because the death of his mother....or maybe it has to do with something that we haven't seen yet in his past..........but we also got to see how manipulative and sneaky he is...again!
  25. Jersey Jess posted on 04/09/2009 11:15 AM
    To Fred: I agree that the "what stands in the shadow of the statue?" question felt very much like Desmond's "what did one snowman say to the other?" question from season 2. To all: No, I don't think that Ben ended up killing Penny. I think we've learned Ben's cryptonite through this espisode - children. My guess is it's because he never met his mom and his dad (Uncle Rico) was such a jerk. I think Ben intended to kill Penny and shot Desmond so that he wouldn't be stopped, but when he saw kid-Charlie he froze and realized he couldn't do it. Penny lives, Desmond is the source of all Ben's injuries. Now, why will Desmond come back to the island? We know "island isn't done" with him yet...I wonder what will draw him back in the end...maybe saving Penny from her own father? Maybe to bring her father back to kill Ben, since he attempted to kill Penny himself? Gadzooks I heart this show. And PS: though I'm totally over the love-quadrangle in Dharma-ville, I am excited to see Miles take the stage next week and work his "talk to dead people" skills.
  26. Brimae6 posted on 04/09/2009 01:10 PM
    Ben lied about Locke being the first one to come back to life or whatever he is. Christian Shepard did it.
  27. Jeff posted on 04/09/2009 02:08 PM
    To the person who answered my Smoke Monster question with the fact that the actor playing Eko was leaving the show, I think you misunderstood what I was asking. I know what Adewale left the show, I was about the FICTIONAL STORY, lol, why the monster chose Eko over Ben. It was understood the acotr was leaving the show for personal reasons. But thanks for the input anyway, hehe,
  28. ceejay AZ posted on 04/09/2009 02:26 PM
    From Philly to Phoenix - been following your Lost chats and blog from this side of the country for the past couple of years. Did you ever think you'd have a "listener" in Arizona? This stay-at-home mom can't hang around the water cooler for a morning-after Lost discussion but thanks to Preston & Steve, I've enjoyed the next best thing. Thanks for the Lost chat today. Please please please keep it up!
  29. Scanner420 posted on 04/09/2009 02:44 PM
    I'm wondering who the dead person is that Miles talks to? Dun...Dun...Dun!!!!
  30. KateMustDie posted on 04/09/2009 05:10 PM
    Great episode. I understand they had to go through the how Ben got his daughter thing, although many other storylines go unanswered. No need to list them we all know what they are. I do have a few observations of the entire series in general. I think everyone should enjoy each show and enjoy the journey. I catch myself wishing that the series was over so I could know all the answers to Lost. Well, 2 big problems with that. The first is that there may be a few wow things in the last few episodes, I get the feeling that we will not be floored. Enjoy the journey. The other problem is that there is no freakin way they will answer every question. Some of the reasoning is BS and unexplained and will stay that way. For example, the island wanted the baby dead. Do you think you will every get a reason or explanation for that? I don't. What about the smoke monster? What it really is? Do you think you will get a logical explanation and then say oh yeah, that explains it or do you think it will just be something beyond our understanding kind of thing? The whole series reminds me of a Stephen King novel. And if you have ever read Stephen King then you know that he starts off with the premise of "Wow, wouldn't it be really cool if a clown was haunting a town?" Then the best he can do at the end is a giant Gilligan's Island spider. Great book, crappy ending. Just be prepared and enjoy the reveals that we do get.
  31. Burtman2 posted on 04/09/2009 06:05 PM
    Lost...... continent of Atlantis
  32. Cam'ron posted on 04/09/2009 06:07 PM
    You guys rock! Maybe now people will stop complaining HINT HINT. I'm still not sure about why the monster didn't kill Ben. Was it because he was truly remorseful about letting Alex be killed? Or was it because Widmore was right and Alex was supposed to die originally, so the Island didn't really give a crap that he let her die? Or maybe the Island is going to judge (read: kill) Ben later, but it needs him to help Locke do something first? Someone mentioned that Widmore looked to have aged a lot during only a decade or so. I think that can just be chalked up to poor casting and/or poor makeup and hair. The bigger question that nobody else seems to have asked is: Why do Ben, Widmore, and the rest of the Others that we've met get older, while Richard doesn't ever get older? The answer to that question: eyeliner makes you invincible.
  33. Jones posted on 04/09/2009 07:20 PM
    Thanks for the Lost chat - I can't listen to your show live and this is what brings me to your webpage. Good compromise to talk when the episode is great. I expect the last few episode to be awesome.
  34. Billy V. posted on 04/09/2009 08:22 PM
    A few episodes ago, when Locke visited Walt, Walt told him of a dream where a group of people were trying to hurt Locke. It looks like Ilana and her group could be those people. Possibly they could be working for Charles.
  35. easyKeel posted on 04/09/2009 08:41 PM
    It's so nice to finally see people getting back to what's really important - blogging YOUR theories. P&S and the rest of the show's "cast" were never what made the "LOST" talks good - you did with your theories. That said, you're gonna love my nuts! and P&S Rock regardless of whether they talk LOST. Keep blogging. As of yet, no one has mentioned the fact that when Locke woke up back on the mainland after having his broken leg reset, Widmore was surprised that Locke voluntarily left the island and he told Locke that Ben had tricked him into turning the wheel and that's why Widmore left the island. It doesn't seem like there would be a logical explanation for why he would lie about this, but it's too recent to believe that the writer's would have forgotten that they told us this, so there's something strange about that. Also, there is NO WAY that Locke's "resurrection" is in any way similar to the appearance of Christian, Alex, Yemi, or any of the other "ghosts" we've seen on the island. None of these visions interact with other people or objects in the same way as Locke. I also believe that there is only ONE timeline that is taking place here. As I've stated before, minor elements of history (i.e. Time) may change but the major end result will always come to pass (The Universe is self-correcting). Think of the fact that Charlie died many times in Desmond's visions before he finally died. I also think that Ilana is infected with the same paranoid sickness that Rousseau's party was. I realize they are on the smaller island, but we don't know that the smoke monster CAN'T get to that island - and Ilana is WAY wacky with the "..shadow of the statue" crap. I think she was initially hired by Ben (Ben unseen by her) to "capture" Sayid and take him back to Guam for killing the guy on the Golf Course. Ilana didn't know this was only a front to get Sayid on the plane. She was a hired bounty hunter and did not know the real intention of the flight. Also, Ben was the ONLY person who would have known about the guy on the Golf Course. Finally, the Egyptian "like" hierogyphics, the reference of a temple with a wall around it, and the image of Anubis bowing down in front of what appears to be the smoke monster all give credibility to the theory of Atlantis or Mu. This has also been mentioned here before, but I feel it's worth repeating. As for Anubis, he's not the Egyptian God of the Dead, as much as he is the Egyptian God of the Underworld and protector of the Dead. It might not seem like there's a difference, but it's sort of like confusing the Grim Reaper with Satan. They're two entirely different images. The point being that the God of the Underworld seems to be bowing down to the smoke monster. Perhaps the smoke monster is the original God of the Dead or even better - a God of Judgement for the living who would pass on those whom he did not judge favorably to Anubis. This would suggest that Anubis acknowledges the superiority of Smokey, as living is favorable to dying. According to Egyptian mythology Anubis would weigh the heart to see if it was pure, a kind of judgement, before deciding if the deceased could continue on in the afterlife. However, here it would seem that the role of judge belongs to the smoke monster. We have twice now seen the smoke monster judge people for how they lived and pass judgement on those people. The more important point being that Atlantean lore says that ALL of these things we associate with Ancient Egypt were first part of Atlantis. So maybe the LOST lore is suggesting that before the role of Judge was given to Anubis it belonged to the smoke monster, a higher diety than Anubis. Later in Egyptian mythology the duty went to Anubis directly. Anyway, these are all just the wild speculative ramblings of an unemployed philosopher making a living as a software developer. Thanks for reading ** LOST TALK IS DONE, THE FOLLOWING IS ABOUT P&S ** A final word to P&S, I appreciate the time dedicated today to LOST. While it is true you can't possibly cover it all in 15, 20 or even 30 minutes you did the best you could by it today (even though I was on the phone for 10+ minutes on hold and you never took my call - I'm not upset). Understanding that next week may go unmentioned, and the following week is a complete unknown, thanks for today. To Nick, you took a beating on this blog as well - and it wasn't really deserved at all. I know you were just trying to give those who wanted to complain a voice and an outlet to do so. Don't let any of the negativity stick and none of it is worth responding to - some of these people will NEVER be happy until P&S do a whole show about LOST - at which point it's not P&S anymore, is it? Thanks for all you guys do and don't let this insanity get to you. In another month LOST is done and you won't have to think about again until January.
  36. ARRGHH!!! posted on 04/10/2009 12:16 PM
    Why can't you find enough time to discuss Lost every week, but you can spend tons of time discussing some whores rolling around on a mattress!
  37. Alaine posted on 04/10/2009 01:24 PM
    I think the smoke monster is confined to the main island. I think the smoke monster can't go through water. The way Ben had to drain the water from the hole to summon smokey leads me to believe that the water was some sort of barrier to keep smokey down. I don't have much proof, just a theory.
  38. easyKeel posted on 04/10/2009 07:12 PM
    *** To ARRGHH!!! *** In case you didn't notice - they DID a LOST Talk this week, so you can take this week off and stop bitching. I may never get another LOST plot correct, but at least you proved me right about one thing: "some of these people will NEVER be happy until P&S do a whole show about LOST"
  39. Gary posted on 04/10/2009 07:36 PM
    ceasar is not dead. Lock said Ben shot him in the shoulder?
  40. ginaginainDE posted on 04/10/2009 08:45 PM
    Thanks P&S! Loved, loved, loved the LOST talk- came on too late for me to listen in the car so thanks for the podcast too. Haters everywhere can just suck it! This LOST episode was awesome! I've been listening to P&S exclusively since Howard went to satellite but was drawn to your show initially because of your LOST chat that I caught between Howard's breaks. I haven't regretted the switch yet! You guys rock! Thanks to all the bloggers for the awesome theories esp Easykeel's.
  41. Corey posted on 04/11/2009 09:23 AM
    Di anyone else think that the crate the Illana and The others were carrying was about the size of a casket? maybe she wants to see if it is really Locke in the casket.
  42. MC posted on 04/11/2009 12:33 PM
    I respect Nick's defense of why the Lost chats ended. Although I think they were a great part of the Thursday show, the P&S show continues to rock! Just never have Hal Sparks give commentary on it again. I'm glad you did have a chat on this great episode. One little thought, I think Jughead( the H-bomb) is going to play a pretty pivotal role in the finale (season or series?). I could see them obliterating the island at the very end of the series.
  43. Carl posted on 04/12/2009 06:22 PM
    I did look forward to P&S talking about lost, and was disappointed when they stopped their weekly discussions. But this is the lost blog, and it feels like that more people are complaining that it is not on the air, than actually talking about lost. Seems slightly hypocritical to me.
  44. YoYoMa posted on 04/13/2009 12:19 PM
    I think Widmore is dead and is in the gray crate on the little island. The island will bring him back to life. That's why they were guarding the create.
  45. GETOVER IT posted on 04/13/2009 12:31 PM
    Please people. Either go outside and bang your head on the cement pavement repeating "I miss the LOST chats on the show" until you pass out OR get over it. We come here to read theories not listen to your whining. You don't like it? Change the station. P&S Rocks, But your b**ching SUCKS. LOST fans have a website here for us to enjoy. What other station offers that Read the editors note in this blog. I SAY NO MORE COMPLAINTS!! (after mine) Unless you have a Lost theory or insight, DO NOT POST HERE!!! I am so sick and tired of reading your complaints. We all get the point but we all have moved on. I don't even listen to P&S due to my work hours, but I love this site. Humble yourself before you trash the site an dpost here making our reading twice the work and not only are you upset, but we are too for having to read your complaints. ITS OLD!!!
  46. Mike posted on 04/14/2009 09:56 PM
    This could be completely out there, but I think it could maybe be legit. If anyone has read the Da Vinci Code than you know what the Knights Templar is, and the Holy Grail. Now the kjnights templar are supposed to be the owners of the holy grail, and the truth about Jesus. Also they have this knowledge which could disproove all of the Catholic church's teachings. The Knights Templar and the Dan Brown book talk about it being a secret society much like the other's and the people who know of the island. Also where the ark of the covenant, and the true existence of god according to that legend is supposedely held in an underground church solemn's tomb. It was an old egyptian tomb as well. This is very confusing, and it's hard to put this into words so sorry if you have no idea what I'm talking aboiut. However Ben fell last week into what seemed liek some kind of underground church, where the black smoke engulfed him. Now according to the legend of the ark of the convenant was held in this church which had egyptian writings and was built with egyptian influence. The place ben fell into to me looked like it had an egyptian influence to it. So my whole theory and it is completely outlandish and stretching but is that the show has a religious aspect to it. The island holds the Ark of the Covenant, and the Holy Grail. The others are the secret brotherhood and acestors of the holy bloodline, and hold the secrets of the Catholic Church. The leader was whidmore than became ben and now it will become Locke's turn to keep the tradition of the secret brotherhood, and protect the secrets they have on that island. Sorry if this is confusing but this show is so damn confusing its hard for me to put into words what I want to say and it's my theory.
  47. BB posted on 04/20/2009 06:27 PM
    Some answers hopefully .... What lies in the shadow of the statue is what this show is all about - The Island, of course, and unravelling all of it's many mysteries! In shows of time travel where the person time traveling sees himself ... that's ok according to all those shows. The problem is the other way around - when the time traveler is seen by the person in their present. (Hope that made sense.) aka if Locke at the hatch saw the time travelling Locke. 'Others' being on the plane has to be about Ben communicating with the 'Others' organization. Remember, they are an organization led by someone not on the island, or at least not always on the island. Think back to the episode when Juliet got recruited. Ben showed Locke the pictures of the plane and empty graves to convince Locke to help Ben back when they were all still on the island.
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