The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham - 02-25-09
Posted 2/25/2009 11:33:00 AM
The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham Locke's fateful mission off the island as Jeremy Bentham is revealed. http://abc.go.co....t/index?pn=index * UPDATE * Our chat from 02-26-09: http://www.prest....m/audio/1193.mp3
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  1. RunFatPat posted on 02/25/2009 07:44 PM
    something occurred to me today, that I'm not sure makes sense at this point. Rishard ALpert is "connected" to the Isalnd "He's always been here" according to Juliette..... except for the fact he went off the island to test young John LOcke on if the compass was his... and it was him that recruited Juliete to travel for the project. If Richard is higher up then Ben or Locke in the pecking order, why would he leave to do Ben's bidding?
  2. Dave posted on 02/25/2009 07:55 PM
    I'm wondering if they will mention give a "shout out" Purgatroy on tonight's show
  3. Nolongerfrom posted on 02/25/2009 08:08 PM
    Lockes Alive
  4. Cdog1138 posted on 02/25/2009 08:31 PM
    I checked the credits, it is actually Lebron James playing Walt in this episode.
  5. Margie posted on 02/25/2009 09:01 PM
    Ben kills Locke? What is up with that? Is Widmore the good guy?
  6. Lee posted on 02/25/2009 09:16 PM
    So, Widmore brings in a specialist to fix up Locke's leg. Could he have possibly decided to put a GPS tracker in there to track him just incase? Would be some good insurance now that Abaddon is dead. Also, great ending. I'd love to see Ben just get destroyed by Locke but clearly he's doing fairly well after seeing the previews for next week. I hope before this show is over Ben gets his comeuppance courtesy of John.
  7. d. posted on 02/25/2009 09:17 PM
    just a thougth they were the exact coordinates of where the island was located at a specific time. the reason desmond and whoever else had to keep putting the numbers in the computer was to keep the island at that specific location and not move like it usually would. thats why the flash happened after locke and desmond did not enter the numbers, because the island finally moved again.
  8. hans posted on 02/25/2009 09:21 PM
    did anyone see sayid\'s wife there when locke was in the med station. i could have swore it was he holding him down when they popped his leg back into place.
  9. cdog1138 posted on 02/25/2009 09:47 PM
    I am assuming that flight 316 crashed on the smaller island that Ben and the Others had Jack, Sawyer, and Kate held captive on in season 3. Is that the "hatch" that Caesar is searching at the begining of the episode? Walt's dreams that he tells Locke about makes it sound as if John will have some trouble with the survivors of flight 316 in upcoming episodes. And again... who is the real villian; Ben or Widmore??? And what war is Widmore referring to? Hope to hear some good LOST talk on P&S tomorrow!
  10. Dave posted on 02/25/2009 10:11 PM
    d.! Great thought that does make a lot of sense which if it was "the numbers" entered every 108 mintues to keep the island put . Or if not staying put a default reference coordinates to override the shift or move since Eloise Hawking menetioned the island had been moving on it's own when the Dharma people found it seems like the island natural state is traveling around so the numbers might be an override And staying in one place would make it easier to bring supplies and people
  11. Eric posted on 02/25/2009 10:17 PM
    OK I completely don't trust either Ben or Widmore. Hopefully the survivors take it into their own hands ignoring both sides and go their own way. Heck for all we know that's what the island wants. Both Widmore and Ben are wrong and it needs Locke, the survivors and Locke to fix everything. Widmore killed the guy he was with in cold blood when he first met Locke and the others in the past so he's no angel. Plus the whole killer mercenaries thing. I don't think either guy cares about human life or who gets hurt in their personal war. What's with these new survivors? Are they responsible for trashing the original camp? Who's the woman that ran off with the pilot? I think the group that Locke's with is on that other island too.
  12. RunFatPat posted on 02/25/2009 10:29 PM
    Caesar is reading a file with the Hydra Station logo on the front....that is the station on the smaller island, where Jack did Ben's surgery right? where the bear cages were...and wheren't they building the runway there? Is Caesar a Widmore plant? Like the Others had Libby on the plane? Anyone notice the pop-up video style rerun even threw out the idea that Ben went after Penny?
  13. Dave posted on 02/25/2009 10:34 PM
    The subject of PAIRS also came up again when Locke was asking Adabon to find him his ex Helen Naylor Desmond/Penny Jin/Sun Bernard/Rose Locke/Helen might be something OR a change on the path because island was moved or an alternate path was taken
  14. cdog1138 posted on 02/25/2009 10:41 PM
    To eric: I think the woman Lapidus ran off with is Sun. She is the only missing person who was on the island before that we haven't seen yet. And you are right, both Widmore and Ben have shown they are capable of cold blooded murder. But are they doing it for the sake of the Island or themselves?
  15. Chad posted on 02/26/2009 05:52 AM
    Does anyone know why Ben was reading Ulysses?
  16. Dave posted on 02/26/2009 06:26 AM
    I wonder how the writers will bring the in the fact that back in the "real" world everyone will know that the Oceanic 6 (ok - only 5) were all on the same plane that crashed, again, in the South Pacific.
  17. Quay posted on 02/26/2009 06:47 AM
    I definitely saw Nadia when Locke was getting his leg fixed, even though at that point she was supposed to be dead. I am wondering if the girl who had Sayid in handcuffs is Ana Lucia's sister. I didn't see the credits, but she sounded like her and resembled her. Remember how they had to recreate the flight as much as possible? Well I think that Penny and Desmond were killed by Ben and little Charlie had to witness it. He is Sawyer and he will come back for revenge against Ben. I do think that he is Charlie Pace. Think about it he had to be adopted after his parents were killed. That is why Hurley brought his guitar. Charlie will be back.
  18. JJ posted on 02/26/2009 06:54 AM
    I don't think any of this information is ground-breaking but i needed to write it out to get all of the timelines straight. Locke turns the wheel and is transported 3 years into the future to Tunisa. He put the wheel back on it's axis and stopped the time jumps, but the remaining survivors (Sawyer, Jin, Julliette, Miles, Faraday, and possibly Rose/Bernard who we havnt seen in awhile) all get stuck sometime in the past around the time of the Darma Inititive. We know Faraday was in the Orchid station while it was being built so that must be the time period. They live there for three years until Jack, Kate, Hurley (and probably Sayid and Sun, though we havnt seen if they flashed to the past or crashed with the plane) meet up with Jin. Flight 316 crashes on the second smaller island where the others kept Jack, Kate, and Sawyer hostage a few seasons back near the Darma Hydra station. Several people (presumably the Oceanic 5) on the plane "disapear" before the crash. Once again upon reaching the island Locke is miraculously healed (even more so than last time!) and Ben is back on the island and ready to manipulate everyone until he can gain control again. Lapetis, who knows they are now back on THE island, finds some of the others's boats and sets off to the original Oceanic beach camp, probably to look for supplies and the Oceanic/Freighter survivors (he doesn't know they are all either dead or time traveled to the past). Lapetis's group were the ones shooting at the Locke/Sawyer/Julliette group when they take the boat with the Ajira Air water bottle.
  19. Quay posted on 02/26/2009 07:02 AM
    I was just looking up whether or not Alana is Ana's sister and I found her myspace page. http://www.myspa....a_cortez_so_lost Very interesting. This has to be part of the show right? Cool!
  20. Damon posted on 02/26/2009 07:26 AM
    ****RUNFATPAT I forget, how was Libby an others plant? How do we know that again?
  21. LostAddict12 posted on 02/26/2009 07:38 AM
    They threw this out in the Enhanced Version of last week's episode. Very interesting.. http://www.ajiraairways.com/home
  22. Lost-Geek posted on 02/26/2009 08:04 AM
    Did anyone else notice that Locke was brought back to life on Ash Wednesday?
  23. bigjay posted on 02/26/2009 08:09 AM
    "Lapetis's group were the ones shooting at the Locke/Sawyer/Julliette group when they take the boat with the Ajira Air water bottle.".. That's just stupid!!! Why would they be shooting at them??? Also, if Locke was in a coffin back in LA, then he would have been embalmed. He has no blood, how can he be alive?
  24. RunFatPat posted on 02/26/2009 08:37 AM
    Libby WAS an Other. She checked on Hurley in the psych ward in Australia. She was on Oceanic 815 right? (Bene didnt send her to assimilate while watching the crash...he sent Ethan and Goodwin) Libby was on the plane and doing similar work to Avadar(sp?), same kind of recon work I'm sure the butcher shop is doing. So back to my original question....is Caesar an on board plant, similar to Libby?
  25. McNabbb get outta here! posted on 02/26/2009 08:41 AM
    Ok....Widmore is the bad guy...make no mistake about it. His sidekick...Abaddon is not a good person in the bible. (since this whole show has always had biblical ties.... "Abaddon" is the name of the biblical Angel of the Abyss (Revelation 9:11). The name is Greek for "destruction" or "the destroyer". As a place, it is likened to Sheol or hell. Many Biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist. Others have stated that he may be one of the lesser demons of hell, or even a dark angel. That will save all of you a lot of headaches over the next week thinking if he is good or not....your welcome :)
  26. Brad posted on 02/26/2009 08:44 AM
    the one question i've got from the episode is that if frank left the island, i would assume he would be trying to use the bearing that got them off the island the first time. But Frank cannot possibly know that the island is moving, let alone moving through time. so is this possibly the last we see of frank?
  27. lOsT posted on 02/26/2009 08:50 AM
    Uhhh, what ever happened to the kids that were takin in season 1??????
  28. LostIsOffice posted on 02/26/2009 08:51 AM
    I haven't seen mention of this, so forgive me if it is a repeat... When Locke returned to the island, he was with the other 316ers; the Losties are still traveling through time, but Locke is not. I am wondering how this is significant, and if they are all back on the island, has the time-traveling stopped? If so, how will they ever be reunited? This show boggles my mind!
  29. Nick's Dad posted on 02/26/2009 08:57 AM
    The name Abbadon is related to an evil side, but his first name was Matthew meaning 'gift from God' so I dont know that it's necessarily that cut and dry... Also, why did the discussion between Locke and Widmore involve Ben and Richard, but no mention of Jacob?
  30. McNabb get outta here posted on 02/26/2009 09:04 AM
    The root for "Matthew" in Hebrew is "Gift from God." Additionally, in Hebrew, Abaddon is synonymous for Hell or destruction. VERY loosely translated "Matthew Abaddon" can be read as "Gift from the god of hell"
  31. WestenDude posted on 02/26/2009 09:14 AM
    All I wann' know is when are they going to kill Ben???? I'm buying on that day!
  32. J.Joyce posted on 02/26/2009 09:54 AM
    Things still left bobbing around in the 'island surf': 1) What was that whole thing w/ Locke's dad? 2) Is Ecko and his biblical background just LOST lore? 3) WHEN is someone going to ask Richard about the 'monster'? 4) What's up with that foot statue? 5) What was that about Jack's tat's and indo-china vacation? 6) Whatever happended to Vincent?
  33. aryanus posted on 02/26/2009 09:57 AM
    No offense, but stop wasting time explaining things to kathy. Widmore is Penny's dad? If you don't know that by now, just stick to American Idol.
  34. Jukin posted on 02/26/2009 10:23 AM
    When Sawyer, Juliet etc. found the wreckage from the Ajira air crash they were on the main island. (We know that because they were trapsing back and forth to the Swan station and the Orchid.) When the flashes happened and they transported in time their locations never altered (watch the episodes again and you'll see that they always remained in the same location but a different time period.) So that means that the 316 crash survivors are on the MAIN island and not the smaller one where Ben held Jack, Kate and Sawyer. So why would Lapidus take the boat and try to go to the other island? My guess is that he didn't. I think he and Sun took the canoe to travel around the island (rather than hike across it) in an effort to find the 815 survivors. It's going to be interesting to see what and who they find in their travels!
  35. TT posted on 02/26/2009 10:39 AM
    The foot statue. I’ve always felt the foot statue was modeled after Locke’s foot. During Locke’s backstory in season 1 (The Walkabout), one of the first things they focus on after it’s known he was paralyzed are his wiggling toes. In season 2 the Losties bring an injured Locke to the Swan station (the hatch) and he refuses, or gets mad, when they attempt to remove his shoes. Then in this season, of all things, Jack finds shoes from his dad to put onto Locke. In last night’s episode, we see Locke’s dress shoes on the beach, him barefoot in the sand. Then, during the hanging scene, they twice focus tightly on the foot of his injured leg, practically throwing us the hint. Now, I counted five toes on Locke’s foot, but the pinky toe didn’t look quite right. It’s debatable. The statue had four toes. So, either the creators are throwing us a red herring that Locke’s foot is depicted in the statue, or they’re finally giving us a clue that Locke’s foot is modeled in the statue, and the statue was actually a huge statue of Locke. Maybe that's why Ben and Widmore know why John is so special and important. I can see the entire series ending on one last shot of this huge Locke statue created by an ancient civilization. And now that time travel exists on the island, anything is possible for Locke visiting such a civilization. But who knows, right? Time will tell.
  36. Russdpipes posted on 02/26/2009 10:58 AM
    Last night's episode kinda gave you a more broader view of the whole story line. It got me thinking that since Jack and Kate are back on the island and there is the whole "when in time" deal going on. what if they end up living and dying on the island and they are the two bodies, "Adam and Eve" that they find in the first season inside the caves. Its only a what if but, they still didn't reveal who those two bodies were yet, and that would kinda be a didn't really see that coming type of deal, since who woulda thought time travel would be happening in the first season. As for time on the island, don't get caught up thinking that because the people off the island experienced 3 years, that the people on the island also experienced 3 years, Time is relative, since the island is jumping time the people on the island could have experienced only a week, but we don't know yet. If they crashed about the time when the people on the island were in the canoe and getting shot at that would mean Locke is on the island again before his previous self left the island, meaning that coming back did not stop the island from jumping. It also looks as if its goin to be Ben versus Widmore on the island, we just don't knwo who is the antagonist and who is the protagonist, but after last night I'm betting Ben is the bad guy. Locke episodes are always the best and juiciest episodes
  37. Joe posted on 02/26/2009 11:08 AM
    I think that Locke is suppost to be like Jesus with him coming back from the dead, then the island is eden that god created, and in the frist season the survivors find two dead bodies and call them Adam and Eve. Then Jacob is like god and he created the island. I think Richard is like the eyes and ears of Jacob and he watchs over all the people on the island, and that is why he never gets any older. Ben is like the snake that made Adam and Eve eat the fruit. The this last episode the guy who Ben said had to touch Jesus\\\' wounds to believe that he is alive, will be like Jack, because the last time he saw locke he was dead. All the other survivors would be like Jesus\\\' followers.
  38. Amy posted on 02/26/2009 11:46 AM
    I think the woman that Lapidus is with is Eloise Hawking. Desmond told her SHE needed to help the people on the island, so i think she was on the plane too. The Oceanic 6 disappeared before the plane crashed, so that means Sun would have too. So i do not think Sun is with Lapidus. She's somewhere else random like Jack, Hurley & Kate were. She knew what plane to be on since she told them all & I think after Desmond told her Daniel wanted her to know she needed to help them, she got on board too.
  39. Frank posted on 02/26/2009 12:21 PM
    Russdpipe - Good thought about Adam and Eve. I agree that it is a very good assumption that those bodies (Adam and Eve) are people we know form 815. Everything else fits togehter but those haven't been mentioned.
  40. Scanner420 posted on 02/26/2009 01:46 PM
    Hey-Yo!! Just a thought completely off topic with what's being spread so far ........Ben freaked when Locke mentioned Eloise Hawking's name. He had the same surprised look on his face when Desmond mentioned Faraday's Mother in last week's episode, then showed up a bloody mess at the docks the following morning. We all assume that he went after Des and Penny to settle with Widmore, but what if it's more. Why does the mention of Eloise Hawking's name set him off. Can't wait til next week to see "The Reunion." You guys Rock!
  41. lutton posted on 02/26/2009 01:56 PM
    @Amy@11:45...I think you're on to something regarding the 'woman' with Lapidus. I suspect we're supposed to think it's Sun since we haven't seen her. But there are many other potentials: Eloise? Could it be Penny? Desmond said he would never go back, but what if Ben or someone else somehow took or got Penny to go to the island. Wow, now that I think about it, Lapidus and Eloise haven't really crossed paths in the show (that I recall); would either even know or trust the other? But Lapidus and Penny do know and trust one another. Hmmm. or maybe it's just Sun...
  42. easyKeel posted on 02/26/2009 03:15 PM
    I don't have any mind-blowing theories this week, but before I get to what I do have I would like to clear up some things posted here this week. First, Libby was NOT an OTHER. Sorry RunFatPat, but she wasn't. With so much that has gone on it's understandable that you might be confused, but re-watch the episodes or check out lostpedia.com - she wasn't an other. She was mentally sick, but after five seasons so are we all. Also, Ben's "promise" to keep was regarding Widmore's daughter (Penny). This was confirmed during the pop-up episode this week for Ep. 316. We don't know if he was successful, but if he was he got a good ass beatin' before it was over. I hope he wasn't. Some theories... I think 316 crashed on the smaller island as was already proposed here on this blog. I also think we're going to find that the survivors of 316 take the boats to the other island and find the original campsite. These are the boats that Sawyer, Faraday, Juliette, and Locke find when they return to their campsite. I don't believe that Sawyer & Co. had stumbled across the 316 crash site as was propsed here. They were not that surprised about what they found. It was their own camp, but with the boats from the 316 survivors. When the 815 survivors take one of the boats and start rowing off, it is the 316 survivors who chase after them (probably thinking they're going after Lapidus), and they start firing on them (with the shot gun that Caesar found). However, they might also think that this boat is Locke saving his people, AFTER he returned to the island (i.e. been resurrected) and they are trying to stop him. Remember Walt told him there were a lot of people who were angry with him, this might qualify. Also, When Ben stops Locke from hanging himself, he tells him that Jack booked a flight from LA to Sydney. Since Locke is not dead, yet; this would have to be the flight that we see Jack on when he first reads the Obituary. When Locke is talking to Jack after the car accident and Abbadon's death, he doesn't have a full beard but he definitely does by the time he takes that flight - a few days later, perhaps. This is ALL before Ben talks to Eloise Hawking and she tells him that he has 70 hrs. At this point, Ben hasn't spoken to Eloise. This is known because there are more than 70 hrs. passed when Jack reads the obituary, tries to kill himself, saves the woman in the car, freaks out at the pharmacy, etc. All this happens over a period of time greater than 70 hrs. Up until Ben talks to Locke, Ben doesn't know how to get back to the island, but he does figure that Locke knows. Locke would know because Ben knew how to travel off the island, as Tom knew, as Richard knows...so it would be natural to assume Locke knows. Ben wants to return to the island, so he figures to save Locke and have Locke take him back to the island. But when Locke tells him that Eloise is the one who knows - Ben doesn't need Locke and Locke would only be in the vying position for leader of the island if he were around anyway, therefore Ben dispatches Locke. Remember, at this point Ben hasn't spoken to Eloise so he doesn't know that the oceanic 6 are going to have to repeat everything as closely as possible. To assume he killed Locke to replace Christian wouldn't make sense, Ben doesn't know they have to do that, yet. Finally, if Locke becomes a victim of the Time Displacement, he can't have a nose bleed - he only has embalming fluid running through his veins. How gross do you figure that would be, to actually see that gunk pouring out his nose? LOL. Actually, I think they're going to have a tough time if they attempt to make the case that the Funeral Parlor, or at least the moritican is an other and so he didn't do the usual fluid replacement on Locke's body. If this were the case, then we're back to why did Ben kill him in the first place? Still, Richard and Christian both knew he was going to die - so I suppose it's possible the Other's knew and Ben didn't. Also, Locke was CLEAN shaven in the funeral parlor when we saw the casket opened by Jack, but he definitely needed a shave by the time Jack was putting the shoes on him. Hmmm...am I watching too closely?
  43. Eric posted on 02/26/2009 04:11 PM
    Libby wasn\'t an other. She wasn\'t spying on anyone she was in the institution because she lost her husband and lost her mind for awhile. She funded Desmond\'s sailing voyage with money left to her by her husband. I\'m fairly sure the plane landed on the smaller that\'s why Lepidis left with whoever (Sun doesn\'t make sense as she likely would have vanished with the others). He didn\'t leave the Island, he left the smaller island for the Island. The reason why the boats would be in the original camp would be easily explained by them leaving the smaller island for the larger true Island by you know USING THE BOATS.
  44. aryanus posted on 02/26/2009 06:42 PM
    One thing I'm confused about: Why does Locke's death so profoundly change Jack's mind about going back to the island? Whether Locke's dead or alive doesn't change the circumstances for Jack. Am I missing something?
  45. Joe posted on 02/26/2009 06:52 PM
    I freaking love LOST and just had a freaking awesome flashback of my own. The" magic number" that Desmond and everyone else had to put in the computer when they were saving the world, what if they had to put them in in order to keep the island from moving like it is now. if you remember back to season 2 or 3, Desmond says that " i think i crashed your plane" , when they showed the flashback in that episode, Desmond didnt pu the numbers in and there was a flash, i think.
  46. Mike F posted on 02/26/2009 06:57 PM
    My theory!: - Both Charles Whitmore and Eloise Hawking were exiled from the island at the same time (maybe for the same reason - hot-headedness?) - They hooked up and had Daniel Faraday as their child! - That's why Faraday's work was sponsored by CW/daddy, was on the freighter, had been back to the island many times. Maybe he's a Constant for the island?. - Because CW + EH are a pair, when Ben heard Lock's reference to EH, Ben realized that Lock was 'working' for CW/EH and decided to kill him.
  47. louanne posted on 02/26/2009 08:24 PM
    did anyone mention this...John Locke/Flight 316 - as in in John 3:16...."“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." Someone mentioned John representing Jesus....make you think!
  48. Mathew Schlussel posted on 02/26/2009 09:19 PM
    I listened to your Lost discussion today guys and I think you may be off on a few things. If you watch the way the scene with Locke and Ben play out, Ben kills Locke after he tells him where they have to go next and who to see when they want to get back. Ben slyly says that he doesn't know what to do after they get everyone to agree to go back. Locke just let's it spill that it was Eloise they need to talk to to get back. I don't think he killed him to keep him away from her I think Ben killed him because Ben now has a way of getting back to the island. It's all about power when it comes to Ben, and in his desperation Locke basically tells him the whole plan to get back. Now in Ben's mind he doesn't need Locke because he has everything he needs. It Eloise that tells him that he has to get everyone back in order for it to work. That why he tells Sun Jin is alive rather than leave her alone. He also is probably responsible for Sayids capture. He is making his play to get back and be leader again. He never planned on Locke resurrecting though. So it will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
  49. Cdog1138 posted on 02/26/2009 10:18 PM
    Lovin' the posts you all put up. To reply to a few of the "what island did flight 316 crash on" questions, they definitely crashed on the smaller island. Caesar was reading a file from the Hydra station. The Hydra station was on the small island that Ben held Jack, Sawyer, and Kate captive on in season 3. As for Libby, we really don't know for sure. She could have been plant by Widmore or Ben (a'la the possibility of Caesar being the same) or just had the random run-ins with characters we have seen the whole series. i believe the 316 survivors will be the ones shooting at Sawyer and group in the canoes, but it wouldn't be the shotgun because it was a solid round that put the perect hole in Sawyer's oar. Ben is still finding out stuff himself judging by his reaction to Desmond's comment about Farraday's mother and Locke's admission to Jin still being alive. The Adam and Eve bodies will tie into the original survivors somehow (Jack and Kate) by next season. And to TT's earlier post about Locke's feet and the four toed statue... very intriguing!
  50. Mike in Norristown posted on 02/26/2009 11:16 PM
    Don't fall into the trap - don't think for one minute that the mention of Ms. Hawkings name suddenly 'changed Ben's mind' or gave him stranglerrific ideas. Ben didn't just happen to have a spray-bottle of bleach and some green latex gloves on him, nor did he stop at the 24-hr Quickmart to pick them up afterward. You can bet your ass that everything he does is coldly calculated, and Ben already had that stuff when he showed up. He knew he'd have to kill Locke just as certainly as he knew he had to make it look like a suicide. Do you think Ben wiped his fingerprints from the extension cord and bleached the room to avoid being caught by the cops? No, he needed the newspapers to reflect that Jeremy Bentham had taken his own life. This got Jack to the funeral, but more importantly it served to let Charles Widmore think he'd succeeded in driving Locke to suicide. Sneaky shit? Yup. That's Benjamin Linus.
  51. ana d posted on 02/27/2009 09:12 AM
    i just want to remind everyone that ben COULDNT have just wanted to get rid of locke because he did, after all, cart him around in a van and stick him in a butchers shop...so obviously he couldn't have just killed locke out of something evil......greater plan here people.....greater plan.
  52. easyKeel posted on 02/27/2009 09:35 AM
    Remember, Ben didn't go back to get Locke's body until AFTER he spoke to Eloise. If Ben really thought he was going to need Locke's body, why would he leave it behind. It's not as though anybody would report Locke as missing, nobody knows who he is as John Locke or Jeremy Bentham. Before you start thinking it's a message to Widmore keep in mind Ben's need to control things. By leaving a body behind that he knows he utlimately needs as a message to Widmore he risks Widmore taking the body for the same purpose Ben would later want it for. Giving up that much control doesn't make sense, and it's not in his nature. Bottom line is, Ben didn't know he was going to need Locke - dead or alive. Also remember, Widmore knows where Hawking is - they are likely friendlier than Widmore/Linus or Linus/Hawking. All of this suggests, Ben is not as well informed off the island as he is on the island. He didn't know Eloise was the Key to getting back to the island, and he didn't know that Faraday was her son. In closing, Ben didn't start carting Locke's body around until after he discovered he was going to need it after Eloise told him what he was going to need.
  53. Debbie posted on 02/27/2009 09:36 AM
    Quay mentioned checking out Alana's MySpace page to see if she is Ana Lucia's sister. I just looked at it and if it is an official part of the show, somebody needs to be fired. Her name, according to IMDB, is spelled with an I not an A, there's all kinds of gramatical and spelling errors throughout, and the majority of the pictures are of Alyssa Milano, not Zuleikha Robinson, the actress that plays Ilana! My vote is that it's a poorly constructed fan site.
  54. BB posted on 02/27/2009 10:37 AM
    When Ben killed Locke he came into the room with no bag. No way the cleaner bottle was under his jacket. He had to obtain the cleaner, gloves, and rag from somewhere else. Maybe they were already in the room. Not like the room wasn't a bit dungy. Jack definitely decided to try to get back to the island prior to Locke being killed. Keep in mind at the end of season 3 he tells Kate that he's already been travelling back and forth on planes trying to get back to the island. It's probably the others shooting at Sawyer, Juliet, etc. Not like they haven't done that before. Big question ... Locke is resurrected when he returns to the island in a coffin, wearing Christian's shoes to emulate the 815 flight. We've already seen Christian several times after his death. There's even implications he's Jacob. Supposedly Christian is dead. I bet he's really alive, resurrected like Locke. Thoughts? See this webpage ... http://www.lostt....+Shephard?t=anon And if Christian is not Jacob, then it has to be the Richard. Richard seems to be the only one who knows how the island works, more so than Ben. I believe it was Richard who recruited Ben, I think in the same episode that the Dharma people got gassed. (By the way, that was probably to replace Widmore as their leader, who was probably off the island already.) Richard has become kind of an advisor, like Jacob was to Moses. He has always been part of the Others, which is some type of organization that Jacob is the leader of (remember Juliet recruiting episode).
  55. DutchListener posted on 02/27/2009 12:05 PM
    I think this season has been total wank. What made Lost fun was that you could guess what's coming up based on the clues they left. Now they're just using random things and pretending that its what they intended to use all along. No point making theories up as they'll just come up with some random pointless bullshit of an explanation. Still watch every episode though. :P
  56. Damon posted on 02/27/2009 01:02 PM
    Someone asked a looooong time ago why the Black Rock ship was found in the middle of the island and I just had a theory on this. It was sailing around wherever and the Island appear underneath it! Then the dudes on the boat must have been like WTF? Most of us think Richard might have been on that boat. Anyone have any thoughts on this. EASYKEEL, you're well versed on this show, whadda you think? Has anyone heard Richard utter an arrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
  57. Maria2016 posted on 02/27/2009 01:02 PM
    I have a comment that may/may not be important, but I am going to post it anyway..... You know how in Lost, there are a lot of anagrams, and a lot of words you can unscramble to make new words? The hotel where Locke was killed by Ben......what was the name of it? (There were letters not lit, and I couldn't tell what it said). Also, did someone unscramble them yet to see if it says something else???
  58. Zanch Dressing posted on 02/27/2009 01:29 PM
    This episode really wasnt that great. They really didnt tell us anything that we didnt already know. Pretty predictable stuff. I was expecting much more out of it especially since it was a Locke episode.
  59. Alaine posted on 02/27/2009 02:13 PM
    To Aryanus: Locke told Jack that his father said hello and that his name was Christian. Remember Jack saw his father in various spots on the island, but he didn't want to believe it was really his dad. Now Locke comes along and tells Jack that he has spoken Christian. That proves to Jack that his father is still on the island. I think that is was freaked Jack out and made him change his mind about going back to the island. Does this make sense?
  60. 19464 posted on 02/27/2009 04:56 PM
    I thought Widmore was in awe of Locke when he was talking to him. He seemed like he was looking up to him in a way. Didn't he say something about meeting him when he was 17. I think Locke was born on the island or has that already been established?
  61. Aryanus posted on 02/27/2009 05:54 PM
    Thanks Alaine! Another thought: Hurley was drawing a picture of the Sphinx. Any significance? Also: Helen Norman died of an aneurysm. Possibly a victim of time shifts?
  62. cerceo posted on 02/27/2009 08:03 PM
    just a thought hear. everyone knows there is a slightly holy feel to the whole show. well in the bible jacobs got a shiatload of kids. ben and jack are two of the names so are john aka lock and james aka sawyer. and he had a daughter. claire? and what if desmonds son charlie, is really charlie. and the skinny scarey lookin black guy shares a name with an angel whose task it is to help lost souls to where they need to be. its the war at the end of the world people. like the reason ben killed lock, because if lock killed himself, which is considered suicide and a sin, he could not be resurrected.
  63. mjgoff07 posted on 02/27/2009 11:02 PM
    didn't libby have ties to widmore? I thought she mentioned this to desmond when they met.
  64. Alaine posted on 02/28/2009 12:36 AM
    Aryanus: I have read on a couple of other Lost sites that Sphinx means "to strangle" Seems to fit doesn't it?
  65. mtvkilldmusic posted on 02/28/2009 12:57 AM
    Has anyone done the oragami ball with the boarding pass from the ajira airways website im dying to know what it says and Im not very artsy lol.
  66. pork chop sandstorm posted on 02/28/2009 09:21 AM
    I think Helen's death could have easily been faked. If Locke knew she was still alive somewhere there is a good chance that he would want to find her, possibly effecting the likelyhood of him returning to the island. Not wanting to take that chance, Widmore could have easily had a fake headstone made and concocted a reasonable lie.
  67. easyKeel posted on 03/01/2009 07:50 AM
    Damon I think you're rationale for how the Black Rock got in the middle of the island is dead on. But I don't think Richard was on the Black Rock. As Juliette pointed out, "Richard has always been here." Although Juliette wouldn't be a true authority on the subject and could be wrong, I don't think she's far off. I believe Richard has been around far longer than the Black Rock and he is more of a native to the island, perhaps the only native. Nobody else seems to exhibit his unique characteristics. I don't think there are any remaining survivors of the Black Rock and the only thing that we can learn from it at this point is in the First Mate's Journal that Widmore acquired at the auction. I hope we get more information about that and it's contents some time soon. I think what you pointed out is all there is to say about the ship itself and it's story.
  68. RainMan412 posted on 03/01/2009 10:51 PM
    I decided to start again from scratch with LOST cause I wanna figure this out before everyone else. Christian is wearing sneaks when Jack saw him on the island early in the 1st season... very white sneaks. I believe that Jacob is a role that must be replaced by Locke, in order for Christian to RIP (Hence the placement of Christian's shoes on Locke's body). The other part I wanted to clear up was about what Nick had mentioned in the LOST chat. Ben did not plan on killing Locke until Eloise's name was mentioned... because Ben knew that Eloise would help John get back to the island regardless of Ben's help. He had no need to kill John until he determined that John would've figured out that he didn't need Ben to get back to the island... Ben is an evil person pretending to be on the RIGHT side if that makes any sense... Ben wants to be the one who is "special". I don't know how this will end but I know that Ben is definitely that bad guy - Signed, I have no life.
  69. Philly LOST Nut posted on 03/02/2009 01:12 PM
    Okay I have a few random things I'd like to post: 1. I thought that I saw Sayid's wife/GF in the Tunisian desert working on Locke's leg, but with our timeline she should be dead now...Widmore cover-up? He wants Sayid back on the Island and she'd be the only thing keeping him off?? 2. The 316 survivors were on the smaller Island, well at least that is where the Hydra station is located. 3. In John Locke's 'suicide' letter, we never actually see him sign his initials 'JL', I feel like Ben finished the letter before John actually finished his own letter. 4. The name of the hotel Locke was staying in was Westerfield Hotel with the letters WEST_RFIEL_ HOT_L illuminated, I don't know if there is any anagram out of that, but let me know if you find any. Here's the picture: http://getlostpo....2f7d4ca417ba2591 5. I don't know if anybody noticed the name of the hardware store Lock got the electrical cord from: Angel's Hardware...important?? Maybe: http://getlostpo....f8361bdfbf311abe
  70. Mephisto077 posted on 03/02/2009 03:03 PM
    If you're looking for quick anagram solutions, try http://www.wordsmith.org. type in the letters and it will give you all variations of those letters.
  71. louis posted on 03/02/2009 11:38 PM
    Kate and jack unexpected sex! they were recreating the original flight as closely as possible right , well what if the sex was to have a pregnant kate ( in place of claire) on the flight , just a thought . thanks
  72. ? posted on 03/03/2009 10:49 AM
    Here is a link to the page that shows all the anagrams that can be made out of the illuminated letters on the "Westerfield Hotel" sign. Some of them have an eerie significance to the direction the story seems to be taking.
  73. ? posted on 03/03/2009 03:01 PM
    Guess it won't let me post it, apologies.
  74. BB posted on 03/05/2009 09:06 PM
    The baby ... Originally the mother was kidnapped by the Others. So, that means the baby was originally an Other. Now, the baby is part of the Dharma initiative. Whoever that baby was as an Other surely had some role in the Purge otherwise why would they have had that scene and then the birth. And the mother would not have been killed by the Others - bag on the head is their kidnapping procedure as we've seen a few times. Widmore was originally an Other who at some point was sent off the island for some reason. So, if he thinks the wrong side is going to win the war, he's probably referring to 1 of 3 wars: 1. Others vs Dharma that ended in the purge. Now that the baby is not part of the Others, maybe Dharma wins the war unless Locke intervenes. Yeh, the baby is born way after Locke and Widmore talk, but what's to say Widmore doesn't know what's going to happen. 2. Widmore's exile 3. Ben vs Widmore Round 2. In Widmore's conversation with Locke didn't Widmore say that the Others used to be peaceful? Yet, in this past episode Richard says that his people need some retribution for their 2 people that were killed. Doesn't sound very peaceful to me. It does sound very ancient (i.e. ancient Egyptian though) - eye for an eye. On the other hand, the fact that they have a truce with Dharma suggests peacefulness.
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